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oh ok this is something

I don't know why it would be saying this, because railway is clearly able to figure out it does in fact exist

you better post this in <#942883303780921425> before i do

hmm, it's still not toing anything for me

Ohhh

lets go

ok

😭

is there any way to make railway not obscure what is actually happening

this error is annoying

your application didn't respond lol

what else could it tell you?

I just wish it would show me it not responding

the error returned by the server

or if the server is hanging, just show that

instead of inserting it's own response

there was no error, your app did not respond what so ever

then show that

it is

not really, because if I go to an IP I own on a real server and type in some random port, it just hangs forever

the server simply does not respond

why would that be an acceptable alternative?

because that is what servers normally do

I've had issues with railway before where it seems like this page is cached

and it takes it a good 30 seconds to update the cache

right but how does hanging help you more than that page?

its not

and it takes my app a good 30 seconds to respond*

maybe its because I'm used to servers doing normal things, but it is a lot more clear to me when I see this

even though it's like… objectively less clear

how is chrome's error page better?

because that is the default behavior when you request a server and there is no port. The server just doesn't respond because it doesn't have anything to respond with, and the browser gives up

and the default behavior on railway is to tell you that your app didnt respond

the departure from standard is just confusing to me. I don't know. I think we just want different things

im sure heroku and fly has similar pages

I guess one other thing I have actually legitimate complaint with railway is my umami instance was taking ridiculous amount of resources. Eventually I gave up on railway and switched to hetzner. It wasn't really railway's fault, but I quickly figured out what the issue was on hetzner because I could ssh in and when I saw htop, I saw postgres was running 15 count(*) queries per second

and as far as I'm aware you can't just ssh into railway like that?

correct

yeah

oh here was the bruh moment in question

though i dont think youd need ssh to find out how many queries are being ran

unrelated but will this work in the template composer?

provided the PGUSER variables are set and such

yeah, why wouldnt it?

just checking, I haven't used the new composer

ohhh @Brody the cache I was thinking of was the Nothing here… yet

also not cache, just need a bit of time for railway to update the routing tables

seems a little broken

• change PORT to ${{CMD_PORT}}

• add CMD_PROTOCOL_USESSL set to true

• add CMD_SESSION_SECRET set to ${{secret(64)}}

• add a health check set to /_health

• rename template and service Hedgedoc -> HedgeDoc (since thats how they case the name)

• set a service icon for HedgeDoc

did you fix this? doesn't happen for me

your browser might be auto upgrading http requests, please make sure to apply all my suggested changes

alr

I've made all the suggested changes

doing a test deply

that was fast

¯_(ツ)_/¯

do you like the new template composer?

Yeah, much better than the old one

the old one was awful

the one thing is

in the new one

I can't create volumes

yes you can?

how?

your two services already have volumes

even when they didn't there wasn't an option

if there wasnt an option how did you end up adding the volumes

what I did was create it in the "new project" and then create the template from there

O, that should be added to the add service button as well

because you can do that in the project composer

they should probably just use the exact same component in both contexts

https://hedgedoc-production.up.railway.app/ does this look better to you?

it works!

cool beans

the only thing is I'm not sure how to change capitalization in the template store

that would be done via the update button

where?

and how do I change the description

also the update button

Oh, this is another UX hard edge I think because there is also this

well the buttons do very different things

and there's an update button here

yes they do, but the update button should also be in the hamburger at the very least

and likewise, inside the composer, this button should take you to the edit panel you see when publishing a new template

that button edits the name lol

Yes, it should bring up the edit sorry update menu instead

or there should be a button to do so in the composer

but that would get confusing

i think its pretty straight forward how it is right now tbh

this is the menu I'm talking about btw

yes i know

I'm simply stating that this is very clearly a UX difficulty I just experienced. If the railway team considers this difficulty to be a skill issue on my part, that's fine

obviously at a certain point of idiocracy you need to call it quits

i cant speak for the team, but i do <:kekw:788259314607325204>

but watching users try to do something and seeing their painpoints is very helpful

I love this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QckIzHC99Xc

i do not have the attention span for a 24 minute video lol

the part from 1:00 to 2:00 is most relevant

and then you can just skip to a random point to see painpoints she experiences

video from 2007 💀

he basically tells her to do certain tasks and watches the ways she screws up doing said tasks

"I don't know what an iPhone app is" quote from vid btw

so what i do every single day?

right, but then the next step in UX testing is asking yourself if that painpoint can be reduced

which you cant because you don't work for railway

but railway should do this

i mean theres only so much you can do before the UI starts looking like a kids toy

Sure. There's a balance before you start pandering to idiots.

you get it 😉

Say with this. I thought there was a cache on these error messages. You told me that the routing tables needs to be updated. If I was a programmer working at railway, I would think "Ok, nothing here… yet" does not convey that something will be here soon clear enough. We should add subtext that says "Please wait a few moments for routing tables to update"

because I guarantee you if you asked 100 new users what this means, nobody would guess it means routing tables are updating and no action is required on your part

... yet should give you a good idea

i could ask 1000 users what a service is and they wouldnt know what it is

I just asked a community of programmers, I've gotten one response so far

what are they even talking about though? did you even mention php?

No. the intent is to ask a general community of programmers what this page means to them in a deployment context

because to me it looks like a 404 page

probably a good time to mention this, the nothing here yet page is not going to exist forever, at some point railway will roll out a change and you will never have to wait for such things

Right. I get it. I'm just saying that ambiguities impact a great number of professional programmers. If a number of users ask the same question, it is possibly a UX issue

which they do, fwiw

impatient

I mean, I guess?

yep 🙂