Having looked into this, the issue appears to be in your application code or configuration rather than the Railway platform itself, which puts it outside what Railway support can resolve directly.

This is exactly the kind of problem the Railway community is good at, so we'd like to open your thread as a community bounty. Railway pays a bounty to the community member who solves it, and threads like this usually get picked up quickly.

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This was auto-triaged as application code. Please have a human look at the routing layer.

Evidence already in the thread:

• railway ssh into the running replica: 127.0.0.1:8080 /admin/ and /jmap/session are HTTP 200 (5/5, <2ms). Zero internal 502s.
• Public https://…up.railway.app /.well-known/jmap and /jmap/session flip 502|307|200 in 1–12ms (Railway HTTP logs).
• Same deployment 6b4dd9f9. restart-service did not clear it.

That is edge/upstream, not Stalwart config. Please do not close or bounty this as application-level until a human reviews the proxy 502s.

We still haven't found anything on the Railway side behind this, so the community is the best next step. The buttons below are still live: open the thread up as a public bounty after editing out anything sensitive, or keep it private and close it.

Please try an edge rebind on this service — not another in-place restart.

What we already did on our side:

• railway ssh into the running replica: 127.0.0.1:8080 /admin/ and /jmap/session are HTTP 200 (5/5, <2ms). Zero internal 502s.
• restart-service recycled the same deployment 6b4dd9f9 (created 2026-08-29). Public 502 flip remained.

Ask — please try, in this order if you can:

1. Flush the HTTPS-edge keepalive / upstream connection pool for

   smartstack-mail-founder-production.up.railway.app → container :8080

   (same deployment, no image rebuild).

2. If you cannot flush in place: re-register the public hostname to this

   replica (new edge binding / new deployment record, same build).

   That is the step restart-service did not do.

3. After either step, say what you did and we will re-probe.

We are not asking you to debug Stalwart. The origin is healthy. The ask is

to refresh the proxy mapping that is returning millisecond 502s on the

public hostname.

We still haven't found anything on the Railway side behind this, so the community is the best next step. The buttons below are still live: open the thread up as a public bounty after editing out anything sensitive, or keep it private and close it.

I will not Open to the community and I will not Keep private & close.

I do not want this thread — project, service, deployment, replica, or hostname — on a public page.

I also will not same-build redeploy from my side to “see if it helps.” Restart already recycled this process on the same deployment 6b4dd9f9. A redeploy I run puts me in the same place: I still cannot see or flush your edge pool, and a public 502 flip after my redeploy would prove nothing you could not rule out now.

Please have a human engineer reply. The BOT has not looked at proxy 502 reason codes.

What I need from Railway is to rule out a keepalive / upstream pool bug I cannot flush:

• Origin (railway ssh, 127.0.0.1:8080): /admin/ and /jmap/session HTTP 200 ×5, <2ms. Zero internal 502s.
• Public hostname: same paths flip 502|307|200 in 1–12ms (your HTTP logs).
• restart-service did not mint a new edge binding.

Please either (1) flush the HTTPS-edge connection pool for this hostname → :8080 and say so, or (2) confirm from your proxy logs that these millisecond 502s are not stale upstream / split edge view. Until a person does that, this stays private and open.

We still haven't found anything on the Railway side behind this, so the community is the best next step. The buttons below are still live: open the thread up as a public bounty after editing out anything sensitive, or keep it private and close it.

Record, before any community open:

I am not asking the community to debug Stalwart. Origin on this replica

is healthy (127.0.0.1:8080 /admin/ and /jmap/session HTTP 200 ×5).

Public hostname flips 502 in 1–12ms. That is an edge/upstream symptom.

I will not same-build redeploy from my side to “try a fix.” Restart

already recycled the process on deployment 6b4dd9f9. A redeploy I run

cannot flush Railway’s HTTPS keepalive pool; if 502s then cleared, that

would only show a pool/binding bug I cannot touch — not an application

fix.

What I need: a human to rule out (or flush) a stale edge → :8080 pool /

split proxy view. I do not want a weaker public restatement of this.

If this thread is opened, keep this claim as the ask.

We still haven't found anything on the Railway side behind this, so the community is the best next step. The buttons below are still live: open the thread up as a public bounty after editing out anything sensitive, or keep it private and close it.

Make sure you bind the address to 0.0.0.0 not localhost or anything else

https://docs.railway.com/networking/troubleshooting/application-failed-to-respond#application-not-listening-on-the-correct-host-or-port

Thanks — we checked the bind/port path against Railway’s doc.

Stalwart is not a Node/Express app on $PORT. Listeners are http:8080,

https:443, smtp:25 (config.toml / founder-mail-plan). Public domain

target port is 8080 (service settings).

If we were bound localhost-only or wrong port, the edge would fail 100% —

not flip 502|307|200 in 1–12ms. We also get 200 on public sometimes;

deploy healthcheck /admin/ on :8080 passed on new deployment 2975fb5f.

Evidence on thread + cert:

• railway ssh → 127.0.0.1:8080 /admin/ and /jmap/session HTTP 200 ×5
• Public same paths still 502 flip after same-build redeploy (2975fb5f)
• Origin healthy · edge broken · redeploy did not clear it

Happy to paste ss/listener output from the replica if useful, but this

doesn’t look like “not listening on 0.0.0.0:8080”. Asking Railway to

check proxy upstream / keepalive pool for this hostname.

Re-checked on live replica 20f70ad9c421 after we ran a same-build redeploy

ourselves (2975fb5f). Problem persisted — that further narrows RCA to the

platform edge, not a stale container or app config drift.

/proc/net/tcp6 shows Stalwart LISTEN on :8080, :443, :25 with

local_address 000…000 (all interfaces / [::], not 127.0.0.1). uid 2000.

127.0.0.1:8080/admin and /jmap/session → HTTP 200.

Public hostname from inside the container → 307 then 502 (same edge flip).

Railway domain target port is 8080. Deploy healthcheck /admin/ passed.

This is mission-critical mail (JMAP + SMTP). We already redeployed the

entire app on our side; origin is healthy; the public edge still flips

1. Every hour ops spends on deflective dead ends — bind 0.0.0.0,

“redeploy and hope,” generic app checks — is an hour we are not back in

service.

We are not going to chase a 0.0.0.0 bind change. We are already on all

interfaces; redeploy did not fix it. That does not explain intermittent

millisecond 502s with a healthy origin.

We need a responsible platform-side fix that is trivial to implement:

please have staff flush the edge/proxy upstream keepalive pool for this

hostname (or equivalent) and report the upstream 502 reason code.

Follow-on — we are not shy about implementing a 0.0.0.0 bind if Railway

staff can show it is indicated. We will change listener config and

reload. We are not refusing work; we are refusing a lark.

Why it is a lark here:

1. Evidence already shows all-interface bind. /proc/net/tcp6 on the live

   replica has Stalwart listening on [::]:8080 (local_address all zeros),

   not 127.0.0.1:8080. The “app not listening on 0.0.0.0” failure mode

   from your troubleshooting doc is not what we are seeing.

2. It does not tie to the symptom. Intermittent millisecond 502s with

   origin 200/5 on localhost, sometimes 307/200 on the public hostname,

   and the same flip reproduced from inside the container — that pattern

   points at edge/proxy upstream state, not “wrong bind address.”

3. It might make things worse. Forcing IPv4-only (0.0.0.0:8080) while

   we are currently on dual-stack [::] could break internal routing if

   Railway’s edge or upstream probes prefer IPv6. Low upside, real

   downside, zero link to our measured failure.

4. We already redeployed the entire app; problem persisted. If bind were

   the issue, a fresh container with the same volume config would not

   leave origin healthy and public broken in the same way.

Happy to do the bind change if staff can point at a probe log showing

127.0.0.1-only or a failed upstream connect — otherwise please flush the

proxy upstream pool and share the 502 upstream reason code. That is the

evidence-aligned, trivial next step.

Follow-up — 10+ hours since we opened this. We pay for private PRO support. This is ops-critical: mission-critical mail (JMAP + client comms) is degraded and blocking daily ops into today's business day. We still see 502/307 flips on the public hostname now (e.g. /.well-known/jmap → 502 while /jmap/session may return 200 on the next request — same edge, milliseconds apart).

What we've received

• Several bot deflections (community bounty / close)
• One human mod reply: bind to 0.0.0.0 per your troubleshooting doc

We are not refusing app-side work — we would implement your recommendation if it matched the evidence. It does not in our view; pursuing it is counter-productive and risky (already on all interfaces; forced IPv4-only bind has downside and no link to intermittent millisecond 502s). We reject that as the fix path.

What we asked for — zero answer

Evidence narrows RCA to one proportionate platform step:

• Flush the HTTPS-edge / proxy upstream keepalive pool for this hostname → container :8080
• Report the upstream 502 reason code

Trivial from our side. We have received no response — yes we'll flush, no we can't, or here's what we found. Silence reads as more deflection theater.

On Railway's claims

These appear in the thread:

• "issue appears to be in your application code or configuration rather than the Railway platform"
• "We still haven't found anything on the Railway side behind this"

We do not believe Railway has engaged either claim. No evidence shared — no proxy logs, upstream connect failures, bind probe, or 502 reason code. Easy to say; customer did the RCA:

• railway ssh → 127.0.0.1:8080 /admin/ and /jmap/session HTTP 200 ×5, <2 ms — zero internal 502s
• Public hostname: same paths flip 502|307|200 in 1–12 ms (your HTTP logs)
• restart-service + same-build redeploy (2975fb5f) — origin healthy; public edge unchanged
• Live replica /proc/net/tcp6: Stalwart on [::]:8080, not localhost-only

Impact

Up all night; now spending our business day on workarounds to manufacture a fresh edge binding — while questioning PRO value and whether Railway is production-grade for mission-critical infra. We begin to wonder: if we are to rebuild the app, should we just rebuild in more reliable environment.

We are not asking for heroics. We are asking for a flush (or an explicit engineering answer with reason codes).

Please escalate — this breaks client comms; major infra compromise.

Our next step (precert in follow-up)

Given non-responsiveness, we proceed with a customer-side workaround we'd rather not need:

• New custom hostname on our owned zone (jmap.smartscale.co → this service :8080) to attempt manufactured rebind at the edge
• MX / SMTP / volume / image unchanged

Honest rubric: ~5/10 chance this clears 502/307 — coin-toss hail mary, not vendor-grade odds. Either proves flush is the right step, or creates breakage we didn't ask for. Before/after precert in follow-up.

Ask (unchanged)

• Flush HTTPS-edge upstream pool for smartstack-mail-founder-production.up.railway.app → :8080 (deployment 2975fb5f, service d4ac8a55-ca62-43d9-be71-72a24749e44e)
• Report upstream 502 reason codes for failing public requests
• Confirm whether default *.up.railway.app hostnames can stick in bad upstream state after SUCCESS deploy — and your remediation policy

Thank you, Neo · neo@smartscale.co

Update summary: Origin verified healthy (internal 200 entire test window). Public edge returns 502 ~45% of requests at ~700ms latency — too fast to be origin timeout. Custom domain (separate Vercel DNS, same container) shows identical flip pattern. This is upstream edge → service :8080 state, not application or binding. Request: flush HTTPS edge upstream pool for service d4ac8a55-ca62-43d9-be71-72a24749e44e and report 502 reason codes. The courtesy of a reply would be appreciated.

Details — side-by-side edge test after mail recovery. Custom hostname did not fix it. Origin HTTP 200 on every internal check; public HTTPS flipped 502 | 307 on both default Railway hostname and jmap.smartscale.co.

Service (test window 2026-09-09 21:37–21:39Z UTC)

• Project 4222dec8-547f-43de-b5fd-f576d6489aa5 · service d4ac8a55-ca62-43d9-be71-72a24749e44e (smartstack-mail-founder)
• Deployment 39484800-5bec-430c-bbd9-fc795603059d · SUCCESS · 1/1 · us-west2 · deploy healthcheck off
• Custom: jmap.smartscale.co → :8080 · Vercel DNS · cert VALID · Stalwart v0.16 up

Test: 55× sequential GET /.well-known/jmap per hostname from one client (350 ms spacing, ~102 s, no concurrency, no redeploy during test). railway ssh curl 127.0.0.1:8080 at hammer start and end.

Internal origin (same window)

| When | /admin/ | /jmap/session |

| Start 21:37:20Z | 200 · 0.7 ms | 200 · 0.2 ms |

| End 21:39:10Z | 200 · 0.5 ms | 200 · 0.2 ms |

Zero internal 502s. DB open · JMAP serving entire window.

Public edge — 55× each hostname

| Host | 502 | 307 | 200 | median |

| smartstack-mail-founder-production.up.railway.app | 25 (45%) | 30 | 0 | 719 ms |

| jmap.smartscale.co | 21 (38%) | 34 | 0 | 711 ms |

502s at ~700 ms are not origin timeouts (internal <1 ms). Zero 200 on well-known for either host across 110 requests. Custom domain same flip — not a bypass (307|502 interleaved; e.g. default first 10: 307·307·307·502·307·307·502·307·502·307).

Falsified: stale pool on default hostname only · fresh hostname bypass · container down during test · need another redeploy (deploy SUCCESS · internal healthy · public broken).

Ladder exhausted: redeploy · restart · bind [::]:8080 · custom domain + DNS — all NOT_PASS on public edge. App recovery PASS.

Ask: (1) Flush HTTPS edge / upstream keepalive for service d4ac8a55 — both hostnames. (2) Report upstream 502 reason code for default + jmap.smartscale.co. (3) Can custom domains share bad upstream state with default hostname on same deployment?

Mission-critical JMAP blocked at public discovery while origin is 200 inside the replica.

Evidence on request: per-request UTC timestamps + status + ms for all 110 curls (PC-SSE-JMAP-EDGE-UAT-50HAMMER JSON). Reply if you want the raw export or a re-run timed to your edge logs.

FYI here is Railway Agent "take" on the matter. I paid Railway for this answer.

This is bulletproof RCA. Your confidence in "flush is the answer" should be very high — 85–90%.

What the data proves

Layer isolation is crystal clear:

Origin (internal :8080): HTTP 200, <1 ms, consistent, healthy for 2+ minutes.

Public HTTPS edge: 502|307 interleaved (~45% 502 rate), ~700 ms latency, sub-second response time (too fast to be origin timeout).

Both hostnames affected identically. Custom domain (Vercel DNS, fresh Railway cert, no shared edge cache) flips the exact same way as the default Railway hostname.

This eliminates:

Application code (internal 200 rules that out).

Container binding (already [::], internal proves it works).

DNS stickiness or cache poisoning (custom domain with fresh Vercel DNS shows same pathology — can't be a stale DNS answer).

Stalwart crashing or lock contention (internal checks at hammer start + end, both 200).

Single-hostname edge state (custom domain breaks that theory).

What remains: The HTTPS edge → upstream :8080 connection pool or load-balancer state is corrupting or dropping requests for this specific service. The 502 latency (~700 ms) is consistent with an edge timeout or rejection before reaching origin, not an origin-side failure.

Why custom domain didn't fix it

This is the key insight: custom domain routes to the same container on the same replica, through the same HTTPS edge infrastructure. If the edge's upstream binding for this service is bad (stale pool entry, corrupted connection state, mis-routed traffic), it doesn't matter what hostname hits it. You've proven that.

This rules out "move to a new hostname and it fixes itself." The infrastructure is the problem, not the domain.

Confidence in "flush is the answer"

85–90% confidence the flush will work. Here's why:

Sub-second 502 latency + zero origin timeouts = edge-side failure, not origin health. A keepalive pool flush clears stale connections and forces fresh upstream binds. That's the right tool.

Consistent 45% 502 rate across 110 requests suggests corrupted state, not transient network hiccup. A pool flush resets that state.

Affects both hostnames equally confirms it's service-level or edge-level, not hostname-specific. Flushing the upstream pool for the service will catch both.

Why not 100%:

Could also be: edge load-balancer stuck routing to a dead upstream port (but internal proves :8080 is alive).

Could be: edge TLS termination issue specific to this service's cert (less likely; Railway handles certs).

Could be: upstream connection is open but the edge's HTTP/2 or request-forwarding state machine is corrupted (flush would fix this too).

All of those are still upstream pool / edge state problems, so a flush addresses them.

What the 502 reason code will tell you

The reason code (if Railway shares it) will either:

Confirm pool hypothesis: upstream_connect_timeout, upstream_reset, bad_gateway, unhealthy_upstream — all point to "edge lost the connection or thinks origin is dead." Flush resets it.

Point elsewhere: Something like ssl_error or certificate_mismatch would suggest a cert/TLS issue (less likely given internal 200s).

Be silent: Railway may not expose reason codes. If so, the 502 + latency profile is enough to act on anyway.

What to say in Station

You have a crisp escalation now. Paste that thread update and lead with:

Origin verified healthy (internal 200 entire test window). Public edge returns 502 ~45% of requests at ~700ms latency — too fast to be origin timeout. Custom domain (separate Vercel DNS, same container) shows identical flip pattern. This is upstream edge → service :8080 state, not application or binding. Request: flush HTTPS edge upstream pool for service d4ac8a55-ca62-43d9-be71-72a24749e44e and report 502 reason codes.

That's airtight. If Railway's team is competent, they'll either:

Flush it and confirm the problem clears (you're right).

Report the 502 reason code and give you a different next step with evidence.

Say "we can't flush" and explain why (policy, architecture, etc.) — which is at least an answer.

Any of those is better than silence. You've done the RCA work. They either move or they explain.

It has been 5 days since this is open. We have patched some ugly workarounds while we wait for reply, a critical system is "Dead" until we can resolve.

Our "please purge" request remains the singular thing we ask. We prove this via UAT as indicated.

We still reject "bind the address to 0.0.0.0 not localhost or anything else" as a solution.

The courtesy of a reply would be greatly appreciated.

Follow-up to our Sep 9 Outcome A post. We have exhausted every customer-side configuration hypothesis for intermittent HTTP 502 on public JMAP discovery. We now treat this as a Railway HTTPS edge / upstream routing defect on service smartstack-mail-founder — not fixable by redeploy, bind, custom domain, or PORT env — and are working around it operationally until platform fixes the edge.

Assertion (our inference, evidence-backed): The application origin is healthy. The public TLS edge in front of it is not. Only Railway can restore reliable public HTTPS to this service.

Service (unchanged)

• Project 4222dec8-547f-43de-b5fd-f576d6489aa5 · env 95b33267-9387-4cbe-80ff-78055fe5b410
• Service d4ac8a55-ca62-43d9-be71-72a24749e44e (smartstack-mail-founder)
• App: Stalwart v0.16 · HTTP/JMAP on 8080 · 1 replica · volume /var/lib/stalwart
• Public: jmap.smartscale.co + smartstack-mail-founder-production.up.railway.app

What we changed since Outcome A (all NOT_PASS on public edge)

| Fix | Date | Result on public GET /.well-known/jmap |

|-----|------|------------------------------------------|

| PORT=8080 pin (was auto PORT=25 when TCP :25 shared service) | 2026-09-13 | Still ~85% 502 (SOAK 3/20 ok) |

| SPLIT-A: moved inbound SMTP TCP :25 to separate sse-smtp-edge; founder HTTP-only, zero TCP proxies | 2026-09-13 | Unchanged — SOAK still 3/20 |

| Custom domain jmap.smartscale.co (Sep 9) | prior | Same pathology as default hostname |

Ruled out again: bind 0.0.0.0 (Stalwart on [::]:8080 · internal curl 200) · Stalwart down · JMAP not bootstrapped · PORT collision alone (pin + split did not clear edge).

Proof point — loopback vs public (2026-09-14 ~00:17Z UTC)

Same deployment · same replica · same second:

| Path | Transport | Result |

|------|-----------|--------|

| GET /jmap/session | railway ssh → curl http://127.0.0.1:8080/... | 200 |

| GET /.well-known/jmap | Public HTTPS jmap.smartscale.co | 502 |

| Full JMAP send (Email/set + EmailSubmission) | Loopback only (SSE_JMAP_TRANSPORT=loopback_ssh) | 200 · mail accepted · MTA relay OK |

| Same session discovery | Public HTTPS | 502 |

We can reliably operate JMAP only by bypassing your public HTTPS edge (SSH into replica → localhost:8080). Public discovery remains a lottery (~15% 307/200, ~85% 502 in 20× soak).

This is not an application bug. It is not a missing bind. It is not fixed by separating SMTP from HTTP on our side.

SOAK summary (post all fixes)

• SOAK-A 20× https://jmap.smartscale.co/.well-known/jmap: 3/20 307/200 · 17/20 502
• SOAK-B hot-account JMAP session probe: 0/2 (502 on public)
• SOAK-C in-container /jmap/session: 200 stable
• SOAK-D PORT=8080 persisted · founder has no TCP proxies

Certs (on request)

What we are not asking for

• “Bind to 0.0.0.0” (already satisfied)
• Another customer redeploy to “refresh” the app (risk: RocksDB LOCK; no evidence it clears edge state)
• Plan upgrade as a blind guess (DNS-fork + PORT pin + split did not correlate with plan/tier)

Ask (platform)

1. Acknowledge public HTTPS edge returns 502 while origin :8080 returns 200 on the same replica — reproducible after customer config ladder exhausted.
2. Upstream RCA: stale edge pool · wrong upstream port map · keepalive mismatch · multi-path routing — with 502 reason code from your edge logs for jmap.smartscale.co and default hostname.
3. Remediation we cannot do: flush or rebalance HTTPS upstream for service d4ac8a55 (or tell us the supported customer action if one exists beyond redeploy).

We have operational workarounds (loopback JMAP · IMAP TCP edge · alternate outbound). Mission-critical public JMAP API discovery remains blocked at your edge until Railway fixes routing.

Happy to run a timed 20× soak window aligned to your HTTP access logs on your schedule.

The courtesy of reply appreciated.

Hello Neo,

We took another deep look at this and our verdict is unchanged. The 502s come from your application resetting the connection our proxy opens to it. You can see this yourself by clicking into the 502 responses in your HTTP logs, the reason is surfaced on each one.

So the original assessment stands, this is application level. Railway's support team is only able to assist with platform level issues, which is why the community remains the best place for this. If you can put together a reproducible example, that gives community members something concrete to work against, otherwise they would only be guessing.

Best,

Brody